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le Mar 07 2010 15:54
valoubs
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Oct 05 2009
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hola!

it's very nice idea to put the section reference in the presentation of the host,
but it isn't present in the portugues neither in the german page (just in the english version!).
¿something wrong???
tchau!

ps: the new section diet is good idea also, but what is mean "ha"???
thanks
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le Mar 07 2010 21:47
rodrigo
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Hi Valoubs,

It was a major upgrade on our system and we are still cleaning up some bugs.
I hope in a few days everything will be working fine!

When the upgrade progress is ready I will post a News with all the details.

Thanks for your report,

Rodrigo
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le Apr 04 2010 22:29
jessekaedra
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It is really nice the website is being developed with References as an option. However, if the only way to post is by way of the host, it seems like this really is not going to take off. Obviously, a host is only going to ask a person to write a reference if they feel that the person is going to write a good reference. Even if the wwoofer wants to write something somewhat negative, I am sure their hands will feel slightly tied due to the relationship.

Also obvious is the concern that someone is going to write an unwarranted negative reference due to personality difference.

Yet, it does seem like checks and balances would naturally occur with an open reference system. For one thing, if a host got a negative posting, they could very quickly ask several other wwoofers to post positively about them, thus counteracting the negative comments. Also, because the wwoofer is not anonymous, their name and possibly their photo will be shown. Hosts can also search wwoofers and if they were able to see the wwoofer's website use history, they would see the wwoofer's negative comments. This would give an impression of the wwoofer, and also if the wwoofer has posted a lot of negative comments this will be very telling about the wwoofer.

Logistically speaking, the computer is often a seldom thing in the wwoof life, and the amount of work it takes to talk about wanting to be a reference, then all come to the computer and do it... it is just too much work to be viable, especially if everyone is off and busy working.

I think that this Reference idea is great and I am glad to see it, and I hope that it continues to be developed to be very helpful!

kaedra
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le Apr 05 2010 07:21
rodrigo
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Hi Kaedra,

Thanks for your comments regarding the new Reference System.

I was talking a lot with the other WWOOF groups about this Reference System, and our experience says that a WWOOFer will not let an Reference without being directly inquired to it!

As the coordination don't know where each WWOOFer is, the only way to make this inquiring is through the Hosts. I agree that this could act as a filter of only positive feedbacks, but I don't see any other way around for now.

In case somebody have a suggestion to bypass this "problem" please let me know.

Best wishes,

Rodrigo
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le Dec 23 2011 21:12
Barbeito
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One possible solution would be to enable hosts to leave references on WWOOFers. I think a WWOOFer would be less inclined to write a negative review about a host if the host were to have the same opportunity to write a negative review about a WWOOFer.

I have been careful about who has been accepted to WWOOF with us because a friend (who introduced me to WWOOFing) had a few bad experiences of WWOOFers over the years, although few bad experiences in relation to the 40 or so WWOOFers who were good. I would like to avoid the problems he had.

I would certainly be interested to read how other hosts experienced a WWOOFer who is asking to come to our farm. Is the person super-social, plays the gitarr in the evening with sing-alongs, talks and is funny all the time. Some people might welcome such a person, some might not. Other qualities like the ability to work independently, ability to comprehend instructions and follow them, ability to solve problems, take initiative, ....

These are all things that are useful to know from someone who has hosted a WWOOFer who wants to come to my farm.

Having read many of the reviews on other hosts' sites, most of them are very low in information content. I ask my WWOOFers to write, not a 'feel good' reference, but a mini-report that they feel would be useful in helping other WWOOFers choose wisely. This is surely what the reference should be for.

Saying things like "Pedro and Isaura are lovely people and the view is great and we went swimming and the ducks are so cuddly" really doesn't help much where to WWOOF. The reference system is a splendid opportunity for WWOOFers to help each other learn about what a stay with a particular host can provide in the way of opportunities, learning, recreation, knowledge, skills, etc. This is particularly true for hosts whose profiles are lacking in such information, as many are.

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le Apr 09 2014 23:23
abcoslo
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Dec 28 2013
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Barbeito wrote:

One possible solution would be to enable hosts to leave references on WWOOFers. I think a WWOOFer would be less inclined to write a negative review about a host if the host were to have the same opportunity to write a negative review about a WWOOFer.

I have been careful about who has been accepted to WWOOF with us because a friend (who introduced me to WWOOFing) had a few bad experiences of WWOOFers over the years, although few bad experiences in relation to the 40 or so WWOOFers who were good. I would like to avoid the problems he had.

I would certainly be interested to read how other hosts experienced a WWOOFer who is asking to come to our farm. Is the person super-social, plays the gitarr in the evening with sing-alongs, talks and is funny all the time. Some people might welcome such a person, some might not. Other qualities like the ability to work independently, ability to comprehend instructions and follow them, ability to solve problems, take initiative, ....

These are all things that are useful to know from someone who has hosted a WWOOFer who wants to come to my farm.

Having read many of the reviews on other hosts' sites, most of them are very low in information content. I ask my WWOOFers to write, not a 'feel good' reference, but a mini-report that they feel would be useful in helping other WWOOFers choose wisely. This is surely what the reference should be for.

Saying things like "Pedro and Isaura are lovely people and the view is great and we went swimming and the ducks are so cuddly" really doesn't help much where to WWOOF. The reference system is a splendid opportunity for WWOOFers to help each other learn about what a stay with a particular host can provide in the way of opportunities, learning, recreation, knowledge, skills, etc. This is particularly true for hosts whose profiles are lacking in such information, as many are.

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I have been backpacking around the world for 40 years , so I am well travelled on all continents and used to meet people from all corners of the planet. Please make apointment ahead of arriveing .
le Apr 11 2014 02:41
gonomadic
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I definitely suggest that the possibility be given to workers to write a reference about the farm not just vice versa, as is the case right now. To check on more or less mature reference systems, I would suggest having a look at helpx, workaway and couchsurfing sites. These places have a rating system, a verbal reference section and also a possibility to "report a concern": a message straight to the admin. If a host or worker is reported as a concern only once, that was probably a personal conflict. But if many independent people report the same profile, a warning and eventually a ban should be issued, thus keeping lazy workers and slave-master hosts out of the system.

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